Comments on: Okay, here’s the plan http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/ A Cincinnati Reds Blog | Still trying to Vote Votto Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:39:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: mhopp http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112892 mhopp Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:48:47 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112892 Unfortunately Sorrey Outterson is the only one with lucky underwear this year. Lets hope he throws them out. Unfortunately Sorrey Outterson is the only one with lucky underwear this year. Lets hope he throws them out.

]]> By: AnnapolisRed http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112872 AnnapolisRed Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:04:08 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112872 Isn't Dempster like 8-0 at home this year? I will be in Chicago for Wednesday and Thursday. We need to go at minimum 3-3 on the trip. Isn’t Dempster like 8-0 at home this year? I will be in Chicago for Wednesday and Thursday. We need to go at minimum 3-3 on the trip.

]]> By: Mike Martz http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112854 Mike Martz Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:36:16 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112854 Chad, have you talked to Dusty about the plan? He needs all the help he can get! Maybe if he knew the fans actually expected the REDs to win he would try that much harder. Everyone needs to break out their rally caps, or favorite jerseys or something to help get this thing started! Didn't one of the Reds players have lucky underwear a few years back? Chad, have you talked to Dusty about the plan? He needs all the help he can get!
Maybe if he knew the fans actually expected the REDs to win he would try that much harder.

Everyone needs to break out their rally caps, or favorite jerseys or something to help get this thing started! Didn’t one of the Reds players have lucky underwear a few years back?

]]> By: nycredsfan http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112723 nycredsfan Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:05:45 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112723 Unfortunately, Kevin, the same applies to the feelings of the front office. Unfortunately, Kevin, the same applies to the feelings of the front office.

]]> By: Kevin http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112674 Kevin Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:14:20 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112674 Yup, 3 of 6 is all I can ask, let's win a series and avoid a sweep. Nonetheless, 4 and 2 would be a beautiful way to go into the break, especially facing the two teams who we have to vie for position with in the second half. It's funny how they always do just well enough to keep me from giving up hope, but never well enough to go anywhere!! Yup, 3 of 6 is all I can ask, let’s win a series and avoid a sweep. Nonetheless, 4 and 2 would be a beautiful way to go into the break, especially facing the two teams who we have to vie for position with in the second half.

It’s funny how they always do just well enough to keep me from giving up hope, but never well enough to go anywhere!!

]]> By: Kevin http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112670 Kevin Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:12:02 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112670 All due respect to Junior, but I want to see him traded too. I just don't know who would want him! I'm not sure exactly who our best trading chips really are...I don't see why we'd get anything good for Ross or Junior, although I do understand that teams would have to overpay for somebody like Arroyo which might make it worth it. I don't want to see us salary dump, either, but I feel like trading away Arroyo, Ross, and Junior are all moves that do more than salary dump, they potentially improve our team. I hope management finds a balance between making some serious changes (which we definitely need) and keeping the young core of players intact, who I think are our exciting future. I don't see any need to have Junior, Ross, or Arroyo around, though. I agree with James that we've still got a viable lineup for the rest of the season with those trades. All due respect to Junior, but I want to see him traded too. I just don’t know who would want him! I’m not sure exactly who our best trading chips really are…I don’t see why we’d get anything good for Ross or Junior, although I do understand that teams would have to overpay for somebody like Arroyo which might make it worth it.

I don’t want to see us salary dump, either, but I feel like trading away Arroyo, Ross, and Junior are all moves that do more than salary dump, they potentially improve our team. I hope management finds a balance between making some serious changes (which we definitely need) and keeping the young core of players intact, who I think are our exciting future. I don’t see any need to have Junior, Ross, or Arroyo around, though.

I agree with James that we’ve still got a viable lineup for the rest of the season with those trades.

]]> By: Mike http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112669 Mike Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:11:01 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112669 On the road, 3 of 6 would look good. On the road, 3 of 6 would look good.

]]> By: james http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112643 james Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:33:57 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112643 I'm sorry to say it, but i think Griffey has to go. I've always enjoyed watching him play but he needs to go to a place where he can dh and play a little rf. I like this lineup: Hairston cf kepp ss votto 1b phillips 2b bruce rf edwin 3d dunn lf bako/ross c pitcher I’m sorry to say it, but i think Griffey has to go. I’ve always enjoyed watching him play but he needs to go to a place where he can dh and play a little rf. I like this lineup:

Hairston cf
kepp ss
votto 1b
phillips 2b
bruce rf
edwin 3d
dunn lf
bako/ross c
pitcher

]]> By: GregD http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112642 GregD Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:32:32 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112642 5-1 puts them at .500 at the break. I could live with that, too. I'm glad the Reds didn't trade the farm for <a href="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3449" rel="nofollow">Erik Bedard</a>. <em>Bedard hasn't eclipsed the 100-pitch mark since May 28 and has experienced back spasms multiple times this year. "I don't think he's really totally feeling right," said Riggleman. "With whatever was happening before -- hip, back and all that ... He may be pitching a lot more than he should. I don't think he's totally right yet. I might be wrong about that, but I do feel that he's given us everything he could give us." Manager Jim Riggleman has pushed back Erik Bedard's next scheduled start. There's no timetable on when he'll pitch next or whether he'll avoid the disabled list.</em> 5-1 puts them at .500 at the break. I could live with that, too.

I’m glad the Reds didn’t trade the farm for Erik Bedard.

Bedard hasn’t eclipsed the 100-pitch mark since May 28 and has experienced back spasms multiple times this year. “I don’t think he’s really totally feeling right,” said Riggleman. “With whatever was happening before — hip, back and all that … He may be pitching a lot more than he should. I don’t think he’s totally right yet. I might be wrong about that, but I do feel that he’s given us everything he could give us.” Manager Jim Riggleman has pushed back Erik Bedard’s next scheduled start. There’s no timetable on when he’ll pitch next or whether he’ll avoid the disabled list.

]]> By: Sultan of Swaff http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112631 Sultan of Swaff Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:15:49 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112631 3-3 at best. While the pitching is decent (I still think we can finish 3rd because of it), this team has two huge offensive problems---they strike out too much and the middle of the lineup is terrible w/ runners in scoring position. That is a recipe for inconsistency. Compare our stats to other teams in the division on K/BB for each teams' top 6 guys, and you'll see we are terribly deficient, especially compared to the Cards, Cubs, and Brewers. On the bright side, anyone alse see the Passan column about small market teams competing for top tier Latin American talent? Very encouraging. The Reds signed Duran, lost by a hair on Inoa, and now are the faves for an elite Venezuelan player. That speaks volumes for the change in philosophy by ownership. Slowly but surely, the culture is changing. I really hope we can unload Dunn and Griff for relative value. Nothing personal, but I want a clean slate. 3-3 at best. While the pitching is decent (I still think we can finish 3rd because of it), this team has two huge offensive problems—they strike out too much and the middle of the lineup is terrible w/ runners in scoring position. That is a recipe for inconsistency. Compare our stats to other teams in the division on K/BB for each teams’ top 6 guys, and you’ll see we are terribly deficient, especially compared to the Cards, Cubs, and Brewers. On the bright side, anyone alse see the Passan column about small market teams competing for top tier Latin American talent? Very encouraging. The Reds signed Duran, lost by a hair on Inoa, and now are the faves for an elite Venezuelan player. That speaks volumes for the change in philosophy by ownership. Slowly but surely, the culture is changing. I really hope we can unload Dunn and Griff for relative value. Nothing personal, but I want a clean slate.

]]> By: Mark in CC http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112624 Mark in CC Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:54:36 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112624 3 and 3 would be OK I think 2 of 3 in Chicago but they always suck on the exhaust pipe in Milwaukee. 3 and 3 would be OK

I think 2 of 3 in Chicago but they always suck on the exhaust pipe in Milwaukee.

]]> By: Relient k Car http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112622 Relient k Car Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:48:18 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112622 I have a dream.. a dream where reds can actually win and compete with teams who actually care... Win at last. we will finally win at last! thank God almighty! we will win at last!!! hehe... Bob Castelini Luther king jr I have a dream..
a dream where reds can actually win
and compete with teams who actually care… Win at last. we will finally win at last! thank God almighty! we will win at last!!!

hehe…
Bob Castelini Luther king jr

]]> By: Chris W http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112602 Chris W Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:35:55 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112602 I pity the fool! I pity the fool!

]]> By: CeeKeR http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112601 CeeKeR Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:35:25 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112601 I think 4-2 and the Reds think they are at least "not out of it" yet...while anything less may be the catalyst for some salary dumps...which I hate to see because then the rest of the games are worthless to watch... I think 4-2 and the Reds think they are at least “not out of it” yet…while anything less may be the catalyst for some salary dumps…which I hate to see because then the rest of the games are worthless to watch…

]]> By: nycredsfan http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112593 nycredsfan Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:17:55 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/07/08/okay-heres-the-plan/#comment-1112593 I agree, 3-3 would be great......here's hoping against Dempster, Zambrano, and now SABATHIA again I agree, 3-3 would be great……here’s hoping against Dempster, Zambrano, and now SABATHIA again

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