Jay Bruce CF
Jolbert Cabrera SS
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Adam Dunn LF
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Joey Votto 3
David Ross C
Homer Bailey P (0-2, 6.30)
RED SOX
Jacoby Ellsbury LF
Dustin Pedroia 2B
J.D. Drew RF
Mike Lowell 3B
Kevin Youkilis 1B
Jason Varitek C
Coco Crisp CF
Julio Lugo SS
Josh Beckett P (6-4, 4.22)
Does anyone else have a blank screen on TBS where there is supposed to be a reds game on? This is crazy! Yesterday Fox did the REDS/Redsox pregame and then switched over to the Cards game, now today blank screen on TBS, I guess someone doesn’t want me to see the REDS play baseball!
True Y-City. It’s a tragedy really. Let the Homer shelling begin. The NESN announcers are trying to figure out what Homer’s best pitch is and now they’re not sure if he even has one.
Yeah, if I made >10 million dollars a year and I wasn’t producing at that level, the FIRST thing I would do is start hustling to first. I think it says something to the fans and the younger players that he doesn’t feel that it’s his obligation to do so.
As long as Homer Bailey keeps throwing everything straight and flat he will keep giving up runs indefinately. He will never make it in the bigs without any movement on his pitches. WHO IS TEACHING THIS GUY?
Jocketty has to recognize that there are some serious problems with the Reds coaching staff. I don’t care what kind of talent an organization has. It only goes as far as the coaching staff can take it.
AAA is where he needs to be. Forget teaching him other pitches. Start with the fastball and getting the kinks out of his delivery. Once that has been accomplished then add the change-up.
I sort of wish we still had Shearn or Lehr: Someone mature who can come up and pitch every fifth game without having to worry about whether a future star is being ruined.
The coaching staff doesn’t appear to be doing any coaching. Hopefully Uncle Walt addresses this. Dick is Bakers buddy though and we all know how Baker clings to a bro-mance.
Buddy, I think you could make it to the store and back along with getting a gas fill-up before he shakes off the first sign. That is the one reason I hated Danny Jackson. On the opposite side, I remember a Seaver-Billingham match-up that lasted less than two hours.
i just need to go on record saying that chris welsh is an idiot. he spent about 5 minutes arguing for josh fogg as the 5th starter on the grounds that he “never really was given a shot.”
there should be some sort of disciplinary action taken by fsn for stuff like that. firejoemorgan is going to have a field day.
Could part of Bailey’s problem be he has too many people telling him what to do? Ted Power in Louisville, Baker and Pole in Cincinnati, and I don’t know maybe even Soto offers some advice. This business of Pole changing Bailey’s hands on his windup and losing 3 or 4 mph stinks.
I wouldn’t give up on the guy but Louisville should be his next destination.
homer bailey may be one of the best arguments for the sabr approach to evaluation as opposed to traditional scouting.
he’s a guy that stats people have been raising red flags about for a long time, but had the entire scouting community that he was the best pitching prospect in the game for quite some time.
watching him now, i’m shocked that people thought his stuff was big league stuff, but all we heard was best fastball in the system, best curveball in the system.
There is some truth to that (other than the best curve ball) especially with his minor league numbers. I think his fastball WAS top notch stuff but the kid is mechanically working against himself. Until he is exposed to someone who can get inside his head and can teach him sound mechanics, he will not be successful. Bailey can whine about his problems or he can take the bull by the horns and try to learn on his own.
I saw him pitch at Durham last year and was talking with an Indians and Mets scout while I was standing not too far behind home plate. I was like “is this the #1 pitching prospect of the Reds?” The scouts were like, “I dunno?” Needless to say he has not been impressive at ANY level in the minors or the majors. I would not give up on him but I’ve been saying since he came up that he is not ready and needs work with a quality (yes, quality) pitching coach. I say trade him and get someone else like a star CF…BTW that game in Durham against Lousville Josh Hamilton smashed a HR before I got to my seat…too bad he’s gone
While he has limited talent, the Reds could benefit from Bobby Livingston being the #5 starter. His overachieving attitude would be so welcome on this team. It would be infectious that Dusty might adopt him and put him in the lead off spot.
Oh its ok Buddy, I know that everytime I have called for someone to get canned, demoted or otherwise, we usually end up watching that player for another couple starts. I was just being realistic with the way the Reds do player movements. It wouldnt surprise me at all to see Homer run back out there a couple of more times.
I think the Indians or the Mets would deal for a Bailey in a heart beat. Carl Willis or Rick Peterson would have Bailey’s flaws fixed in a relatively short amount of time.
the guy i’ll keep calling for in the 5th spot is affeldt. talk about not really getting a shot. his stuff looks really good. i’d be willing to wager that he could give us 5IP of 4.5 ERA ball every time out, and that’s lightyears beyond what we’ve been getting out of our 5th spot.
talking about yesterday’s game, and the “culture of winning” that the reds need to develop to win those. I can’t think that moviing griffey is going to be part of that, as much as i like the guy.
grounding into that double play in the eighth when we easily could have tied it or gone ahead was so terrible. and to show no emotion about it, i know that’s his style, and i respect it, but i just don’t think it sends the right message to the young guys on the team.
in the big leagues, it is NOT ok do ground into that double play in that situation, and you should be pissed off when you do.
sorry that last post wasn’t clear, meant to say that i have to think that moving griffey will be a part of bringing winning back, as much as i like the guy.
sorry that last post wasn’t clear, meant to say that i have to think that moving griffey will be a part of bringing winning back, as much as i like the guy.
Jim, what is the history of Justin Lehr? Has he ever been in the majors? Josh Roenockie (reliever) is pitching well at AAA if that makes anyone feel better.
If Dusty ever manages again, the signing club should include a “no ex-Cubs” clause in the contract. Double switch to get his second love Bako in the game.
Al, Sadly i’m starting to think the same thing in regards to Griffey. Like I said earlier, it really is sort of a tragedy if you consider how few players actually CHOOSE Cincinnati as a destination, which Kenny did, regardless of what part Leatherpants thinks he played in the trade.
I must have missed that, I heard Shearn left but I didn’t know Lehr left too. Yes, control seems to be issue with Roenicke. The Bats seem to have a winning attitude even though many of their star players are in the MLB (Bruce, Votto, Bailey, etc.) and seem to have a drive that the Reds do not. I can’t help but go back to poor leadership/examples and management as the center of the problem. I can’t wait until heads start to roll…look at last year 1st half vs. second half after people were fired
Is it just me or is Cincinnati just as stupidly impatient as Castellini?
Everyone wants a youth movement but you’ve got these young guys like Bailey and Votto and EE who actually get booed. It’s extremely pathetic and rather disheartening as a fan. It actually drives me away from attending more games. I don’t go to games to boo a rookie for making a rookie mistake or a pitcher that just can’t get the bunt down.It makes me wonder why any player would want to sign with this team.
Though I’ve been booing Bailey this whole thread, I do agree with you Phill that booing Bailey, our troubled rookie, vocally at GABP is not very classy, especially in front of the whole RedSox nation. If anything people should be booing Dusty and the coaches for thinking he stood a chance in hell of not getting creamed today.
I think most of us understand that Bailey is very young and has lacked much in the way of sound tutoring in his brief professional career. If you are going to draft high school pitchers then an organization has to have sound coaching from the ground up.
I wonder if Crusty is tell them when to hit? You know how much control he likes to have…Jacoby was a good fundamental hitter but never had a lot of talent when he played the game. Would be nice to see Jr. go to TB and would make sense with his family there and an AL team!
Just an FYI, but Dick Pole is Volquez’s pitching coach too. Maybe we don’t have good players? The same people complaining about Bailey today are the same people crying for him to come up. I have never been impressed by Bailey. Not by his stuff and certainly not by his makeup. I think Cueto is twice the prospect he is. He at least competes.
By the way, entering today the Reds are hitting .203 in June, far and away the worst batting average in the major leagues.
For those of you complaining about not getting FSN check TBS, it is the Game of the Week.
The one claiming that his trade notification was a 45 second phone conversation with Krivsky and Narron. Thommy Boy and Welsh just pointed out that the story cannot be true because Krivsky wasn’t even GM yet.
Good grief Jim you are dreaming now…I guess it’s okay to dream a little dream but lets keep it realistic here. Too bad Mario Soto is not the full-time pitching coach…think that’s possible?
Burton is the bomb…too bad Crusty wasn’t smart enough to bring him in yesterday instead of Lincoln. Yes I’m blaming the manager again, he’s just awful. Bob Boone didn’t have the raw talent this team has. Several good decisions from the manager and some good coaching…this team could easily be above .500
God couldn’t fix some of the Reds pitchers. We have been through five managers in five years. It isn’t always the coaches. Trust me, I think Dusty Baker has made some boneheaded moves, but last year we had a good manager in Pete M and everybody couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
I know what’s going on…the Reds are trying to play bad so they can rid the team of ole’ Jr. and his rocking chair since they know he wants to play for a contender!! Corey Outterson is just a decoy! Dusty Baker really isn’t that stupid and CP really doesn’t suck that bad…it’s some kind of conspiracy
I’d like to see Bailey shorten his armswing a little and not bring his hand so far down. I think it will improve his command(it’s just not there right now).
I would like to see someone teach Homer how to analyze his own performance. There comes a time where a player has to take control of their performance.
Ben Jukich is pitching for Lookouts at 5:30 so hopefully his success will continue and Thompson was back in form last night so there is some hope. Jim, do you know the history of Ben Jukich?
Since Dusty’s signed for three years and Castellini is not going to eat that contract yet, the next move is to fire Pole, hire Soto, and put Bailey in relief and to work on his breaking pitches. And then try Affeldt as the 5th. starter.
Jukich was the PTBNL in the Denorfia trade with Oakland. He pitched college ball in South Dakota.
What if we were to give Dick Pole the benefit of the doubt and determine that the number of young arms makes it too big of a job for ONE pitching coach. maybe the Reds need co-pitching coaches, each with their own arms to work with. Just a thought. In many ways though, Pole looks too old and tired to do the job.
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I read what you wrote up there and all I could say was “Oh my”. Homer doesn’t need to be pitching against a patient team like the Red Sox.
REDS
Jay Bruce CF
Jolbert Cabrera SS
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Adam Dunn LF
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Joey Votto 3
David Ross C
Homer Bailey P (0-2, 6.30)
RED SOX
Jacoby Ellsbury LF
Dustin Pedroia 2B
J.D. Drew RF
Mike Lowell 3B
Kevin Youkilis 1B
Jason Varitek C
Coco Crisp CF
Julio Lugo SS
Josh Beckett P (6-4, 4.22)
Homer needs to crank it up a notch and catch the BloSox by surprise. Good low heat.
Jeff Piecoro just said that the Reds won Game 6 of the 1975 WS. What an idiot.
homer/100 pitches, whadaya think? 2 1/2 innings? maybe 3?
Good pitch that Ellsbury hits on an 0-2 count.
If Ross has the throw down they have a shot at 3B.
Homer gets the ground ball.
Now comes the real task. The Reds hitting Beckett.
Too bad they don’t have CP in the lineup to help right now. Dusty and CP must have had a lovers quarrel.
Wonder who is hitting second since Janish is not in the line-up. Oh, silly me. The SS Cabrera.
JB gets schooled by Beckett.
Hey!!! A #2 hitter that gets on.
How about a KG, Jr. Wheelchair Night?
Can you imagine a pitching match up between Beckett and Danny Jackson? It would take six hours to play a nine inning game.
I’ve never been a Griffey basher per say but God it’s getting tiresome watching him JOG to first base, not to mention grounding into the shift.
It would be a lot easier to take if we had got seven completely healthy years out of him.
Yep, Bailey can’t even put away the bottom of the lower part of the Sox lineup without Big Papi and Manny…pathetic
Does anyone else have a blank screen on TBS where there is supposed to be a reds game on? This is crazy! Yesterday Fox did the REDS/Redsox pregame and then switched over to the Cards game, now today blank screen on TBS, I guess someone doesn’t want me to see the REDS play baseball!
True Y-City. It’s a tragedy really. Let the Homer shelling begin. The NESN announcers are trying to figure out what Homer’s best pitch is and now they’re not sure if he even has one.
Yeah, if I made >10 million dollars a year and I wasn’t producing at that level, the FIRST thing I would do is start hustling to first. I think it says something to the fans and the younger players that he doesn’t feel that it’s his obligation to do so.
Is it simply a coincidence that Homer’s downfall began with Dick Pole as his pitching coach?
It’s baffling that Dick Pole still has a job. Brook Jacoby too for that matter.
Sure wish Vern was still with us.
DirecTV is once again only showing the NESN feed. Blank screen where FSN Ohio should be. I have to admit though, i kinda like the Baaaston guys.
I’d go ahead and hit for bailey as he will give up more runs anyhow.
And he can’t bunt either.
Maybe JB will have Beckett figured out by his 4th at bat.
As long as Homer Bailey keeps throwing everything straight and flat he will keep giving up runs indefinately. He will never make it in the bigs without any movement on his pitches. WHO IS TEACHING THIS GUY?
How can FSN Ohio get a Heidi Watney?
It seems like no one is tesching him or Cueto (except when Soto shows up).
Homer Bailey is a JOKE!
Bailey simply isn’t ready
She would make losing less painful?
Again, Bailey simply isn’t ready!
I know it’s been said a million times: He’s only 22. He’s not ready. Hopefully he’ll be back.
I see Bailey getting traded some place where a good pitching coach fixes his flaws and he wins a Cy Young or two.
Griffey will be on the bench tomorrow with a stiff neck!
Are the REDS fans chanting for BRUUUUUCE to pitch? no wait those ARE booooooos
Jim, I almost hope you’re right for Homer’s sake, if not the Reds’
Jocketty has to recognize that there are some serious problems with the Reds coaching staff. I don’t care what kind of talent an organization has. It only goes as far as the coaching staff can take it.
Do we really want to bring up Thompson with Dick Pole still in place?
Bailey should be pitching in AA. Seriously. Start over again. Question is can he mentally do it?
AAA is where he needs to be. Forget teaching him other pitches. Start with the fastball and getting the kinks out of his delivery. Once that has been accomplished then add the change-up.
I sort of wish we still had Shearn or Lehr: Someone mature who can come up and pitch every fifth game without having to worry about whether a future star is being ruined.
The coaching staff doesn’t appear to be doing any coaching. Hopefully Uncle Walt addresses this. Dick is Bakers buddy though and we all know how Baker clings to a bro-mance.
The poor kid is mentally kicked in the teeth. His psyche needs restoration.
I wonder if I can make it to the store and back between Becketts pitches…
The frequent visits by Soto have to indicate that the front office questions the Dickster’s ability to coach.
With yesterdays great outting by Thompson, you have to wonder if Bailey is 1 or 2 more clunkers from a return trip to AAA.
Buddy, I think you could make it to the store and back along with getting a gas fill-up before he shakes off the first sign. That is the one reason I hated Danny Jackson. On the opposite side, I remember a Seaver-Billingham match-up that lasted less than two hours.
I predict the Sox reach double digits in this game and win 10 or 11-1. The lone Reds run will come via an Adam Dunn solo shot in the 8th of course.
i just need to go on record saying that chris welsh is an idiot. he spent about 5 minutes arguing for josh fogg as the 5th starter on the grounds that he “never really was given a shot.”
there should be some sort of disciplinary action taken by fsn for stuff like that. firejoemorgan is going to have a field day.
LOL Jim…
Ron, he may be zero clunkers from going back. If Pole can’t correct anything here then he needs to go back where someone can correct his flaws.
Ron, Bailey shouldn’t even be allowed 1 or 2 more clunkers. His return trip should be now.
Could part of Bailey’s problem be he has too many people telling him what to do? Ted Power in Louisville, Baker and Pole in Cincinnati, and I don’t know maybe even Soto offers some advice. This business of Pole changing Bailey’s hands on his windup and losing 3 or 4 mph stinks.
I wouldn’t give up on the guy but Louisville should be his next destination.
That said, I am not sold on Ted Power’s abilities either. Louisville last gave the Reds a good pitcher when?
Sorry for the double team Ron, Jim and I appear to be thinking alike.
I think there is a taxi waiting at the stadium to take Bailey to Louisville.
Al, I thought the same thing. Fogg was given ample chance. If we give a vet a chance then it should be Affeldt.
i’m just going to throw this out for discussion:
homer bailey may be one of the best arguments for the sabr approach to evaluation as opposed to traditional scouting.
he’s a guy that stats people have been raising red flags about for a long time, but had the entire scouting community that he was the best pitching prospect in the game for quite some time.
watching him now, i’m shocked that people thought his stuff was big league stuff, but all we heard was best fastball in the system, best curveball in the system.
Bailey may have called it himself.
Did Bailey even throw a curveball today?
yeah, he threw a pretty good amount of curveballs today, they’re just not very good. they’re breaking 50 ft in front of the plate instead of 5.
There is some truth to that (other than the best curve ball) especially with his minor league numbers. I think his fastball WAS top notch stuff but the kid is mechanically working against himself. Until he is exposed to someone who can get inside his head and can teach him sound mechanics, he will not be successful. Bailey can whine about his problems or he can take the bull by the horns and try to learn on his own.
Guys, I’m in Gatlinburg, TN. Is it as bad as it sounds?
I’m siding with Welch on the instant replay debate. Professional baseball has survived 139 years without it.
Homer is a mess so, yes, it is as bad as it looks.
It’s worse Chad..
I saw him pitch at Durham last year and was talking with an Indians and Mets scout while I was standing not too far behind home plate. I was like “is this the #1 pitching prospect of the Reds?” The scouts were like, “I dunno?” Needless to say he has not been impressive at ANY level in the minors or the majors. I would not give up on him but I’ve been saying since he came up that he is not ready and needs work with a quality (yes, quality) pitching coach. I say trade him and get someone else like a star CF…BTW that game in Durham against Lousville Josh Hamilton smashed a HR before I got to my seat…too bad he’s gone
I just don’t get why DirecTV isn’t giving us the Cincy feed. Lame
While he has limited talent, the Reds could benefit from Bobby Livingston being the #5 starter. His overachieving attitude would be so welcome on this team. It would be infectious that Dusty might adopt him and put him in the lead off spot.
That was a pretty sweet play by Cabrera.
Nice play by Cabby.
Oh its ok Buddy, I know that everytime I have called for someone to get canned, demoted or otherwise, we usually end up watching that player for another couple starts. I was just being realistic with the way the Reds do player movements. It wouldnt surprise me at all to see Homer run back out there a couple of more times.
Jim, Where is Livingston these days?
I think the Indians or the Mets would deal for a Bailey in a heart beat. Carl Willis or Rick Peterson would have Bailey’s flaws fixed in a relatively short amount of time.
the guy i’ll keep calling for in the 5th spot is affeldt. talk about not really getting a shot. his stuff looks really good. i’d be willing to wager that he could give us 5IP of 4.5 ERA ball every time out, and that’s lightyears beyond what we’ve been getting out of our 5th spot.
Livingston is starting to rehab somewhere. Still a ways away from pitching at the MLB level yet.
Cabby with the Concepcion-type throw to first except he four hopped it.
Good point Al, better than the current slop pitching
Ok maybe not Affeldt
Affeldt certainly has stuff good enough for the #5 spot. It gives them the lefty they supposedly want in the rotation.
talking about yesterday’s game, and the “culture of winning” that the reds need to develop to win those. I can’t think that moviing griffey is going to be part of that, as much as i like the guy.
grounding into that double play in the eighth when we easily could have tied it or gone ahead was so terrible. and to show no emotion about it, i know that’s his style, and i respect it, but i just don’t think it sends the right message to the young guys on the team.
in the big leagues, it is NOT ok do ground into that double play in that situation, and you should be pissed off when you do.
sorry that last post wasn’t clear, meant to say that i have to think that moving griffey will be a part of bringing winning back, as much as i like the guy.
sorry that last post wasn’t clear, meant to say that i have to think that moving griffey will be a part of bringing winning back, as much as i like the guy.
Jim, what is the history of Justin Lehr? Has he ever been in the majors? Josh Roenockie (reliever) is pitching well at AAA if that makes anyone feel better.
If Dusty ever manages again, the signing club should include a “no ex-Cubs” clause in the contract. Double switch to get his second love Bako in the game.
Lehr had 66 MLB games to his credit with Oakland and Milwaukee. Of course, he was sold to Korea, which was a smart move by the Reds.
Al, Sadly i’m starting to think the same thing in regards to Griffey. Like I said earlier, it really is sort of a tragedy if you consider how few players actually CHOOSE Cincinnati as a destination, which Kenny did, regardless of what part Leatherpants thinks he played in the trade.
Not Springsteen. Not Steinbrenner. But Bob “The Boss” Castellini in the booth. Hey, Bob! Fire your hitting and pitching coaches.
Have any of you considered that maybe Griffey is running as fast as he can?
Strike out to walk ratio is the biggest concern with Josh Roenicke.
That may well be true, Kurt.
Has anyone ever run an analysis of how much better Junior and Dunn would have hit if there had been no shift in place?
In light of the Heidi Watney reference earlier, I think the Reds should go with an all female broadcasting team.
Speaking of where are they now? Whatever happened to Jose Acevedo?
I must have missed that, I heard Shearn left but I didn’t know Lehr left too. Yes, control seems to be issue with Roenicke. The Bats seem to have a winning attitude even though many of their star players are in the MLB (Bruce, Votto, Bailey, etc.) and seem to have a drive that the Reds do not. I can’t help but go back to poor leadership/examples and management as the center of the problem. I can’t wait until heads start to roll…look at last year 1st half vs. second half after people were fired
Acevedo last pitched September 29, 2005 for the Rockies.
What an ugly game today.
Thats right eyeliner Acevedo went to the Rockies. I’m guessing he’s selling used cars at this point.
9 to zip, I can’t take it anymore. I guess I’ll wait some nascar….later all
Ugly is right but the all female broadcasting team would be a hoot even for just one day…We’d definately make ESPN that night for sure.
In fact I knew this game was gonna be ugly the minute I saw Beckett vs. Bailey.
Is it just me or is Cincinnati just as stupidly impatient as Castellini?
Everyone wants a youth movement but you’ve got these young guys like Bailey and Votto and EE who actually get booed. It’s extremely pathetic and rather disheartening as a fan. It actually drives me away from attending more games. I don’t go to games to boo a rookie for making a rookie mistake or a pitcher that just can’t get the bunt down.It makes me wonder why any player would want to sign with this team.
Reds fans leave a lot to be desired. No wonder opposing team fans show up at GABP in such large numbers.
Though I’ve been booing Bailey this whole thread, I do agree with you Phill that booing Bailey, our troubled rookie, vocally at GABP is not very classy, especially in front of the whole RedSox nation. If anything people should be booing Dusty and the coaches for thinking he stood a chance in hell of not getting creamed today.
I think most of us understand that Bailey is very young and has lacked much in the way of sound tutoring in his brief professional career. If you are going to draft high school pitchers then an organization has to have sound coaching from the ground up.
This line-up can ill afford Bako.
Looks like Bruce is learning how not to hit too, guess it’s contagious
I hope the Reds rebound and kick the crap out of the Dodgers.
Jacoby can teach even the best how to not hit. His motto to hitters must be to swing at the first pitch.
While I hate the Red Sox for spending mega bucks to build a winner, they have to be given some credit for developing some of their own players.
I just heard Outterson is in. Now you know the gane is over.
Casey given the big ovation. Imagine if he had done steroids. Probably would have hit .400.
I wonder if Crusty is tell them when to hit? You know how much control he likes to have…Jacoby was a good fundamental hitter but never had a lot of talent when he played the game. Would be nice to see Jr. go to TB and would make sense with his family there and an AL team!
Booing Bailey and cheering Casey is sort of strange bi-polar behavior. Maybe 9 years of losing can do that to ya…
If that Casey trade story is true then Krivsky and Narron are the two biggest jerks on the planet and Castellini isn’t far behind them.
What Casey trade story?
Just an FYI, but Dick Pole is Volquez’s pitching coach too. Maybe we don’t have good players? The same people complaining about Bailey today are the same people crying for him to come up. I have never been impressed by Bailey. Not by his stuff and certainly not by his makeup. I think Cueto is twice the prospect he is. He at least competes.
By the way, entering today the Reds are hitting .203 in June, far and away the worst batting average in the major leagues.
For those of you complaining about not getting FSN check TBS, it is the Game of the Week.
The one claiming that his trade notification was a 45 second phone conversation with Krivsky and Narron. Thommy Boy and Welsh just pointed out that the story cannot be true because Krivsky wasn’t even GM yet.
While it will never happen, imagine the impact that a Leo Mazzone could have if he came on as the Reds pitching coach.
Good grief Jim you are dreaming now…I guess it’s okay to dream a little dream but lets keep it realistic here. Too bad Mario Soto is not the full-time pitching coach…think that’s possible?
Thank goodness that tomorrow is an off day.
Burton is the bomb…too bad Crusty wasn’t smart enough to bring him in yesterday instead of Lincoln. Yes I’m blaming the manager again, he’s just awful. Bob Boone didn’t have the raw talent this team has. Several good decisions from the manager and some good coaching…this team could easily be above .500
God couldn’t fix some of the Reds pitchers. We have been through five managers in five years. It isn’t always the coaches. Trust me, I think Dusty Baker has made some boneheaded moves, but last year we had a good manager in Pete M and everybody couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
O I see…yea Im stuck with the NESN feed…although it is in HD and then of course there’s what’s her name. Leo or Dave Duncan….
I don’t know if being a full time pitching coach is something Soto is interested in. Coaching at the MLB level isn’t a real attractive profession.
Pete McMakin was the one manager not afraid of taking Griffey out of the line-up.
Well that was truely pathetic. Fun thread though, thanks guys. Later
I know what’s going on…the Reds are trying to play bad so they can rid the team of ole’ Jr. and his rocking chair since they know he wants to play for a contender!! Corey Outterson is just a decoy! Dusty Baker really isn’t that stupid and CP really doesn’t suck that bad…it’s some kind of conspiracy
I’d like to see Bailey shorten his armswing a little and not bring his hand so far down. I think it will improve his command(it’s just not there right now).
I would like to see someone teach Homer how to analyze his own performance. There comes a time where a player has to take control of their performance.
Ben Jukich is pitching for Lookouts at 5:30 so hopefully his success will continue and Thompson was back in form last night so there is some hope. Jim, do you know the history of Ben Jukich?
Since Dusty’s signed for three years and Castellini is not going to eat that contract yet, the next move is to fire Pole, hire Soto, and put Bailey in relief and to work on his breaking pitches. And then try Affeldt as the 5th. starter.
Jukich was the PTBNL in the Denorfia trade with Oakland. He pitched college ball in South Dakota.
What if we were to give Dick Pole the benefit of the doubt and determine that the number of young arms makes it too big of a job for ONE pitching coach. maybe the Reds need co-pitching coaches, each with their own arms to work with. Just a thought. In many ways though, Pole looks too old and tired to do the job.
If he gets the blame for Bailey, does he get credit for Volquez? You can’t have it both ways.
I thought Soto was getting credit for Volquez.