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Game Thread: Reds at Phillies — 2008.06.05

Homer Bailey makes his return to the big leagues today in an afternoon tilt vs. Phillies ace Cole Hamels. The deck is stacked against Homer, but I’m optimistic that he is going to be the Homer Bailey we all expected him to be.

A win today gives the Reds a split, on the road, with one of the hottest teams in baseball. That’s a great result from this series, as far as I’m concerned.

Ignore your work and discuss the game here….

108 comments to Game Thread: Reds at Phillies — 2008.06.05

  • GregD

    Herrera optioned to AAA to make room for Bailey.

    “We didn’t want to send him out,” Baker said. “It was numbers. We didn’t call him up for an experiment. They told us he could get people out and he was fearless.”

    Why not Majewski?

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  • Now that Louisville has the Reds on a station that can actually be heard I will get to listen to the game.

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  • nycredsfan

    My question is, who do we expect Homer to be? I’m not sure yet. As for today, I can’t say I’m optimistic. This team has never hit Hamels, but at least Patterson’s not in the lineup, so maybe it’s good karma.

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  • Matt B.

    MLB TV has a free five-day trial right now for anyone who wants to watch the game.

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  • Y-City Jim

    Stick with the fastball today, Homer.

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  • WillCHIReds

    What’s the lineup

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    Cincinnati Reds

    Hairston Jr., cf
    Bruce, lf
    Griffey Jr., rf
    B. Phillips, 2b
    Votto, 1b
    Encarnacíon, 3b
    Janish, ss
    Ross, c
    Bailey, p

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  • Jerry Hairston Jr. CF
    Jay Bruce LF
    Griffey RF
    Brandon Phillips 2B
    Joey Votto 1B
    Edwin Encarnacion 3B
    Paul Janish SS
    David Ross C
    Homer Bailey P

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  • You beat me, DA.

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  • WillCHIReds

    I actually think this is not too bad of a lineup. I’d prefer Griffey switch with Votto (since Dunn is getting a day off)

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    For getaway day this is a great lineup. What worries me is that having Patterson out is equated to a getaway-day move.

    And besides, with all the injuries there aren’t many other options. Put Andy Phillips in for Brandon Phillips, maybe, but that about it.

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  • WillCHIReds

    I have a feeling this is going to be a long game…Hamels is gonna hit double digits in Ks

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  • Scott

    123 for Homer. Fastball control looks pretty good.

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  • Glenn

    Hammels usually owns us. Maybe not today?

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  • GregD

    6 up, 6 down for Bailey.
    Looking good kid!

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  • Scott

    Real nice play going in the hole for Janish. Bailey with steady diet of fastballs.

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  • GregD

    Volquez on Utley…was he joking with the reporter?

    “Inside changeups,” Volquez said. “He’s got a little hole. You can’t throw him fastballs away.”

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  • GregD

    Harsh for the first run of the game against Bailey to be on an error by the SS, Janish.

    Bailey’s done well, and been pitch efficient thru 3 innings (30 pitches.)

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  • Y-City Jim

    Keep it up, Homer. Bruuuuuce will pick you up.

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  • nycredsfan

    When a guy has three walks through three plus innings, maybe you should take the first pitch? EdE and Phillips can sure hit, but the lack of plate discipline gets REAL old.

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  • Tim

    Anyone with me…..Halladay and Rolen for Arroyo and Eddie E and maybe a reliever

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  • nycredsfan

    Bailey straight gettin it done, though. Between him, Belisle, and Patterson, they are proving AAA stats don’t necessarily equate to majors stats.

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    I like this version of Homer Bailey pretty well. Gave up a deep fly to Utley (caught at the track, 400′) but that’s to be expected against that guy. Otherwise mowing them down. 41 pitches through 4 is not at all the kind of performance we saw out of Homer last year.

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  • nycredsfan

    definitely, DevilsAdvocate. I’ll even take the no strikeouts in exchange for no walks and great pitch efficiency.

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  • Scott

    He has thrown about 80% fastballs. My only question, and this is absolutely isn’t criticism of him it’s just a question, where did all the throws 93-95 and touches 96,97 come from. We heard that all of last year and he really has never came close to reaching that.

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  • crypticphrasing

    Hairston’s average is reverting to the back of his baseball card. I hope Keppinger’s rehab goes well.

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  • Dusty doed not teach plate discipline. He wants them up there up there hacking.

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  • mhopp

    Hmmm, I just tuned in and I’m shocked to see this Homer Bailey Version. For some reason I’m not shocked to see that the Reds have not scored either.

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  • mhopp

    Crap, here we go Bailey is faltering…he must be listening to Dusty

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    All right Homer, don’t lose your cool over your throwing error.

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  • Y-City Jim

    Maybe Bailey has found that he can locate the fastball better if doesn’t try to overthrow it. Plus maybe he is getting some helpful ball movement by doing so.

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    More crack defense. Oof.

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  • What is the deal with our defense? Geez

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  • Y-City Jim

    McLaren blow up is a classic.

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  • mhopp

    Again, they just don’t want to win

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  • GregD

    As well as Bailey’s been pitching, the defense has been atrocious. The Phillies do not need three extra outs (and counting) in a game.

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  • Y-City Jim

    Homer’s ERA is still 0.00.

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  • mhopp

    I should have just stayed in bed

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  • Rather bush league looking move by Hairston just then. Faked throwing the ball to the fans and then turned and ran in.

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  • Y-City Jim

    Homer is probably wondering if he should have stayed in bed. How about some support from the other eight?

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  • AnnapolisRed

    The defense stinks and we can’t score on the road. This team just isn’t very good.

    mhopp-To say they don’t want to win is laughable. They aren’t good enough to win, but they do want to win. I’ve never met any athlete that didn’t want to win.

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  • aaron

    effectively have 2 innings to score 4 runs

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  • Y-City Jim

    Good to know that Dusty brought in a class act.

    :roll:

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  • Kyle

    Still no earned runs… could be a whole lot worse.

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  • brublejr

    It’s a shame that Homer’s good pitching is all for not due to the defense.

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  • mhopp

    Why not take Griffey out and put Dunn in? Oh, it’s Dusty Baker making decisions

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  • mhopp

    Hairston for defensive player of EVERY game!

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  • brublejr

    Did they really send Herera back down? Why not someone useless like Stormy, Lincoln, or Majewski? At least Herrera has potential when those guys are all has beens or never was.

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  • Y-City Jim

    OK. That one’s earned.

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  • mhopp

    Should be a 1-0 game but instead it’s pretty much over at 4-0

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    Well, Homer’s ERA departs from the 0 mark there.

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  • Y-City Jim

    Certainly the best performance by a #5 pitcher this season.

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  • mhopp

    Agree brublejr, Lincoln was the odd man out and should have gone down. His ERA is about 5.00

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  • mhopp

    Hammels is throwing a lot of balls, anyone else notice?

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  • brublejr

    Well, Matusz just got taken…Reds miss out on one target so far.

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  • mhopp

    Horrible luck on the road just horrible

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  • brublejr

    Looking at who is due up next inning, this is mostly likely the last inning for Homer.

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  • GregD

    Ross, Pitcher, Hairston.
    Need a couple of guys on base for the middle of the order!

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  • mhopp

    Uh oh, this is not good

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  • mhopp

    Need a Double Play please!!

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    It’s up to the Reds’ pick – Crow or the elder Beckham brother?

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  • mhopp

    can’t find a strike

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  • mhopp

    EE seems upset he was taken out of game…I don’t understand either. Of course we wouldn’t want to put Dunn in with being behind by 4 runs would we Crusty?

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  • Chris

    Those dudes sure don’t look like brothers, DA.

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  • Chris

    The college Beckham doesn’t look like the kind of upside you’d like to see at #7 overall, IMO. This seems like a fairly weak draft class, from what I read. Even Matusz sounds like a mid-rotation guy, and he’s supposed to be the best pitcher.

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  • Reds take Alonso

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  • brublejr

    Alonso…I have heard big time power…but why another 1B?

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  • Chris

    Reds took Yonder Alfonso, the power-hitting, disciplined 1b from “The U.”

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  • Jesus

    maybe votto will be in LF before too long

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  • mhopp

    Yonder Alonso for Reds a good hitting, not so good fielding 1B

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  • Chris

    You draft for talent in baseball, not need. Alonso, even if he moves super-fast, won’t be up until 2010 or 2011.

    Here’s the scouting report.

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  • nycredsfan

    His bat could almost fit at the big league level now, but his defense is terrible. Seems like more of a DH honestly.Hope this doesn’t mean a Dunn trade and a move to LF for Votto.

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  • From Alonso’s scouting report at MLB.com: “He’s not a base-clogger, with good instincts on the basepaths.”

    Someone at MLB.com has a sense of humor.

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  • mhopp

    Well, there’s the ball game…from a .200 hitter. More reason to play Patterson since he has the same ba as Howard

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  • More on Alonso: “Alonso is a hitter, period, with a great approach and power, especially the other way right now. Defensively, he’s no great shakes, but it’s the bat that teams will dream about putting in the middle of their lineup to produce plenty of runs in the future.”

    He’s reported to have “great plate discipline and plenty of power.” That’s good news.

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    I didn’t guess that the Beckhams were brothers, but then I heard Marty & Jeff say that earlier…made sense to me since they’re different ages, and both in GA…but it looks like that they are not brothers. At all (different races, even). Ha ha! So, that one’s on me.

    I’m not big on an NL team drafting a defensive liability in the first round, especially when the Reds are not drafting again until the third round.

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  • I agree, to a point, DA…but the guy might be able to improve his defense at first. More importantly, if he can hit like advertised, teams will be lining up to try to obtain him. He could be a valuable chip even if he never plays for the Reds.

    At first glance, I’m satisfied with the pick.

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  • mhopp

    The Reds have more errors than hits in this game!!

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    All true, Chad. And I like the polished college pick, as opposed to a toolsy college player.

    Meanwhile, this game isn’t looking too good. Quite the offensive showing.

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  • Chris

    Anybody watch that video? Who does his swing remind you of? For some reason I am thinking of Jeff Bagwell, even though their stance is exactly opposite – I’m thinking it’s the high finish??

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  • mhopp

    What about Jerry Hairston? That’s proof that Baker should play Patterson since he was correct on Hairston.

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  • brublejr

    The K’s are down from a normal day vs Hammels but more of the same results, no runs.

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  • Chris

    Apparently our boy was ARod’s workout partner last winter.

    Here’s an intervew (that I haven’t watched yet).

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  • mhopp

    Good grief, the Phils are always at the right place at the right time…and Dusty’s Reds?

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  • Chris

    cool how that imbedding worked.

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    How do you embed that in the comments? Can we do images?

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  • Chris

    Bowden took the kid from Mizzou.

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  • brublejr

    I think I like the Crow kid more than Alonso, but nobody will know for a couple of years.

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  • brublejr

    It sucks the Reds don’t have a 2nd rounder…I was hoping they would take the kid from my hometown 40 minutes from Cincy (Alex Meyer). He is 6′7′” and throws 93-95.

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  • mhopp

    This is making me sick

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  • mhopp

    Well, take it any way you can I guess

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  • That was a pathetic display by the Reds today. Bailey pitched well, but the defense was atrocious and the offense anemic.

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  • mhopp

    In a shutout he brings in Corey Patterson to hit, oh we’ll win now Crusty…you are a bafoon Dusty Baker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You have no brain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • mhopp

    Well, at least we didn’t clog the bases today, nobody hardly got on base to begin with. And a true Crusty Baker finish, as if a man that bats under .200 will somehow keep it going…brilliant, just brilliant. I’m going to start the Crusty Baker/Corey Patterson Anti-fan Club!!!!!!!!!!

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  • brublejr

    Truly sad performance.

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    Well, let’s try something novel:

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    Hmmm. either can do youtube but not jpg’s, or I need the secret key.

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  • Y-City Jim

    CP is 0 for his last 23

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  • Chris

    I am actually rooting for Patterson to reach some sort of record for futility. It’s like a science experiment: At what point will Dusty Baker accept reality?

    Sortof reminds me of another public figure recently.

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  • Chris, I don’t know who Alonso looks like from the video at MLB.com, but he looks like a slugger. Very strong, well-built.

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  • Chris

    DA, I just used the embed code from YouTube.

    Did you see that Buster Posey (#5, SF) is asking for $12M? The previous record is $6M.

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    No Reds loss is complete unless Patterson has had the opportunity to make an out. Down to .193.

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  • mhopp

    I wonder what the lowest ba is in history for a “lead off” batter? Oh well, you know what they say “Love is Blind” and so is Crusty for Corey Patterson…too bad all the fans have to suffer from it.

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  • The Red’s best last chance is Corey Outterson?

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  • mhopp

    The words “Next Year” keep resonating in my head…”Maybe Next Year”
    I’ll take a .500 finish though if it means Bailey & Cueto coming around with a glimpse of D. Thompson in the Majors

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  • What are the chances of Outterson being on this club next year?

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  • DevilsAdvocate

    mhopp, here’s a Hardball Times article that attempts to identify the worst seasons in the past 50 years by a leadoff hitter. Had to have a certain number of plate appearances to qualify, of course, and is about OPS and league average performance more than just raw batting average. But notable that the worst leadoff hitter (Ivan De Jesus, 1981) had a batting average of .194, 1 point higher than where Patterson now sits.

    On the plus side, after that season Ivan The Terrible was traded for a young Ryne Sandberg.

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  • mhopp

    Hmmm, I think there is a conspiracy here…Ivan the Terrible also played for the Cubs and the Orioles just like Outterson. Maybe Baker will suggest we hire Ivan for a hitting coach to help Corey?
    Kurt Frost, I think we’re going to see Outterson so long as Crusty is the manager. He does have a rep. of being given a lot of control and so far we see the poor results.

    Does any body disagree that this is the most “raw” talented team that the Reds have had in at least 15-20 years and maybe a little more? We have depth in hitting and pitching but need to work on fielding…and a better manager because I think maybe toothpicks have been shown to cause very large brain tumors and memory loss with irrational thought processes or something. :mad:

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