Game Thread: Marlins vs. Reds - 2008.05.14
No carpal tunnel or T-ball double headers here! Just good ol’ Reds baseball talk! The Reds will send Bronson Arroyo to the mound, fresh off his best start of the season against the Mets. A win tonight would guarantee the Reds a winning series and set up a possible 4-game sweep of the Fish tomorrow night.
Let’s hope the Reds can rally despite the news that Keppinger went to the DL. Discuss the game here…
May 14th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Patterson cf
Hairston ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Votto 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Dunn lf
Bako c
Arroyo p
Sigh, Dusty is never going to learn.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Freel v RHP - .267/.306/.311
Patterson v RHP - .247/.299/.494
Bruce v. RHP(AAA) - .357/.405/.663
that’s all i’m sayin
May 14th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
oh, and for the record
Freel v LHP - .349/.391/.442
Patterson v LHP - .150/.190/.150
Bruce v LHP(AAA) - .380/.396/.660
May 14th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Who is this Bruce guy?
May 14th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Good or bad, Watching Freel play is worth the price of a ticket anyday!
I hate to see him sit the bench.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
o.k. guys let’s suck it up and win one for the KEPPER! sorry for the pun….
May 14th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
I heard (from a Larosa’s pizza delivery driver) the reason we can’t bring up Bruce is by bringing him up he’ll be eligible for arbitration at an earlier date making this a strictly financial decision. Can anyone confirm or dispute this?
May 14th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
VERY wide strike zone in the top of the first.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Wouldnt surprise me Slatt .. but in reality, Bruce wont play everyday until Jr or Dunn are moved. You know Dusty is going to get his boy CP playing time so Bruce would be a part time player and that would just be a waste of time … at least at AAA he can hone his skills by playing every day. I look for Bruce to stay in AAA until Jr is dealt.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Confirmed slatts but in reality that shouldn’t matter because the reds should follow suit as the marlins did with ramirez and the rays with longoria signing them early for long term deals to make the point irrelevant.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Jr looks almost as bad a Dunn in the batters box anymore
May 14th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Thanks for the clarification. I’m beyond frustrated with the whole patterson situation. I liked the dusty signing but every time patterson’s in the lineup I like dusty a little less.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Another clutch AB by Dunn … you would think he would run into one a little more often … is he ever going to get it going?
May 14th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Good Lord what a circus.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
This team is crazy. Patterson makes a miscue but the Reds get an out from it.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
2 errors on one play, yet absolutely no harm done.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Bronson looks REALLY good tonight.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
So it’s a two-error play that ends up with the same result that they would have had if there were zero errors on the play. The Reds come up with something new and interesting just about every day.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
No error charged to Votto after all. Earned and unearned runs are a laugh.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Hairston’s doing all right for himself. 1-0 Reds.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
BP. Two out hit with RISP!
May 14th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Finally broke through on this guy … I was beginning to wonder … his stuff isnt all that impressive.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Slow game thread, but Reds finally making some noise. Good to see Phillips have an RBI, maybe he (and the rest of the Reds) can heat up some more!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Marlins looking a lot like the Reds on the basepaths.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
WooHoo! Finally an opponent makes a base-running blunder and Patterson gets Ramirez trying to tag to 3rd!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
That was a great play by Patterson. He set himself up for the throw perfectly and put a dart into EE. That on a play that nobody was expecting anyone to tag up on.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Arroyo still dancing around runs with balls hitting the tops of outfield walls, being the beneficiary of good outfield arms and poor baserunning decisions by Marlins players and basecoaches… Shutout for Arroyo still in tact!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Patterson looking like Dave Parker tonight. But really, it’s mostly just horrible baserunning by Miami.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Dunner! Finally!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Yeah, really - Marty just said before the homer that Dunn was 4 for his last 32. Needs power.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
You guys see the box score from Louisville tonight yet.
Bruce: 3-3, 2B, 3B, HR and 2 BB
May 14th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Yeah … Bruce is on fire … hitting a mere .366 on the season now … in an interview, Bruce was more proud of the 2 walks than any of the hits … I like to hear that.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
How long can they keep that guy down there? honestly? with keppinger down.. why not bring him up instead of janish? you have Phillips, Hairston, and Freel who can all platoon SS and 2B.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
You can’t walk every at bat when you’re putting the bat on the ball like he is.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
I wouldnt stick Freel at short unless it was an emergency-type situation but he is more than an adept 2b. I am as excited as anyone to see Janish but I think I could restrain myself for this perfect opportunity to get Bruce into the 25-man, especially the way he is tearing the cover off the ball right now. When you are as hot as he is right now… you can hit anybody, anywhere!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
I wish Dusty would pinch-hit for Arroyo. He’s at 95 pitches with only 2 Ks thru 6 innings. Granted, it’s still a shutout but I guarantee he won’t pitch 8 (or 9) tonight. Why not let Hatteberg bat with a man on base?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I don’t know what was wrong with Arroyo early in the season, but I think it’s safe to say that he wasn’t hurt, as many of us thought. His last two starts have been outstanding.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Bruce wouldnt play every day up here with CP, Dunn & Griffey and you know Dusty isnt going to start Bruce over any of those three … bringing him up here to spot start wouldnt be good for his developement. As much as I hate to see him staying at Lousiville, its best for him until we deal Jr or Dunn … or both
May 14th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Jocketty: “Im torn here, Dusty… Bruce would put some serious butts in the empty seats right now and he is hitting like the ball is on a tee, but I guess ideally he would have to be a SS and Janish has been doing alright thus far for Louisville this season. So who do you want?”
Baker: “Walt, you know how much it would hurt my feelings to have to play Jay over my poor boy, Corey. I wouldnt want to tarnish his silver spoon… bring up Janish”
May 14th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Arroyo just brilliant through seven innings. Wow.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Wow, Bronson … looking good brother!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Ron, I agree with that in principle that he can play every day at AAA but when you figure that Freel can move from 4th outfield duty to infield duty during Keppingers DL stay, it would work well to bump Patterson to the 4th outfield role in favor of Bruce.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Think Arroyo goes back out in the 8th? 111 pitches.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Jay Bruce RIGHT NOW would be twice the hitter that Corey Patterson is. Keeping Bruce down because Dusty doesn’t want to hurt his buddy Corey’s feelings is insane.
If the Reds are waiting to June 1 for financial reasons, I can’t argue too much. If keeping him down for two more weeks will let us keep him for an extra season, I can’t argue with that logic.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
That was some nice stuff from Bronson. It’ll be good to try and give the bullpen some rest. It’s been a long week and hopefully they’ll be needed against the Tribe this weekend.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
HELL YEAH BRONSON! Finally coming around and after that start in Atlanta I thought it would never happen! BAck to my point, though, I really think Freel’s versatility would be the absolute key to making that move work… and work well.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Coco will be needed, to be specific.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I think Arroyo will be back on the mound for the 8th….but I’m not sure that he should be. Isn’t he starting on three days rest anyway?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Hairston apparently wants everyone to know he can play too!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
I was wondering, Tom! I hope the bullpen isn’t needed too much this weekend, other than Coco.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Jimmy… good point! maybe they can keep Janish until June 1 then switch him and Bruce. What are everyone elses thoughts on changing Freels current role temporarily to get Bruce a confidence booster of a major league promotion.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Junior with an RBI double! This team is coming around!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
The pitching matchups look pretty entertaining this weekend. Battle of the ERA leaders might get the Redlegs some national press.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
I thought the Marlins had the best record in the league? Don’t mess with our Redlegs!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Thank You Junior! We would be .500 or better if we weren’t STILL waiting on Griffey and Dunn to get on track.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
I agree with you guys on Jay being a much better option than CP … I have just watched enough of Baker’s decisions to know that Bruce would not start over CP … that is the only reason I say Bruce is better off where he is. YOu can look at Janish as an example. He is a great defensive SS .. probaly better than Hairston, but Baker is already on record as saying Paul will only get spot starts.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
This franchise makes me so mad sometimes, but I absolutely love these guys. When the Reds are playing well, all is good with life.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Wow… Cantu with 2 throwing errors on the series! Glad we dropped him???
May 14th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
You are probably right, Ron. I don’t trust Dusty to play Bruce every day.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
This series has been more of what I hoped for all year long. This team has been fun to watch.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Was that scored an infield hit for Phillips, then an error letting him advance?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I’ve been commenting in the wrong thread all game. Nice hustle by BP, in the grass the whole way.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
If/when Bruce comes up Dusty won’t have the option not to play him.
It won’t happen.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Great baserunning by BP!!!! 6-0!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Man, Phillips is fun to watch. I really wish he would start hitting. He is aggressive, making things happen. Again, fun to watch.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Welcome to the correct game thread, Jared!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
I agree with Tom… I’m pretty sure that mandate would come from on high. And Tom… I do like the matchups for the Cleveland series! All are VERRRRY interesting. The only probable I dont like is Belisle tomorrow. I hope he gets shelled AGAIN tomorrow in a slugfest that the Reds can eventually win so we can finally put this thing to rest and get Bailey back up here.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Janish is in the game for his MLB debut. Good luck to the kid.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Well, call it a night for Arroyo. Great seven-inning outing.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Here’s to Paul Janish! Let’s see it kid!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
First ball of the inning goes right to Janish Not a hard one, but fielded and thrown perfectly.
I’m sure he’s happy to have one under his belt now.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Two in a row to the kid at SS! Nice work.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Nice inning of work for Mike Lincoln. That’s good to see.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Janish is gonna drop a bomb….. you heard it here first!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Janish gets the first two hit right to him. I’m sure that helped settle the butterflies! Good work by Lincoln in a quick inning. That’s what I like to see with a 6-0 lead.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Was it a double switch? Will Janish get to hit this inning?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Ahhhh took a shot
May 14th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Well, Janish hit it hard, but it’s a long out.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Ugh. 6-1, no outs…
May 14th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this a save situation? 5 run game, no outs, 2 men in scoring position…
May 14th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Lincoln has fallen apart this inning.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
I doubt Lincoln finishes the season with the Reds.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Yes this is a save situation. Not for Lincoln, but for whomever comes in.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I’m very impressed that Dusty is bringing in Coco right now with the bases loaded in the 8th. Most managers wouldn’t do that, but this is precisely the situation in which we need our best reliever out there.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
6-3 now… Still no outs. I shouldn’t be so nervous.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Yikes, 6-3
May 14th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Oh no, Coco.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
OMG no way
May 14th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
There it goes. 6-6. &^$!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Ouch. Meltdown of catastrophic proportions.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Well, 1st blown save, get it out of the way early I guess.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Ugh.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Kill me now
May 14th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
This looks like a team that is just as good as its record.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Looks like Janish’s debut will last a little longer …
May 14th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Coco just wants a win.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Oh well, just gives us a chance for more excitement in the bottom of the ninth!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Mike Lincoln=Mike Stanton
May 14th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Hit a walkoff HR, Junior!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Jeff Brantley reveals himself to be more of an idiot every time he opens his mouth.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Great use of the pinch runner in the 9th.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Extra innings after heading into the 9th with a 6 run league. Where’s Danny Graves when you need him?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Phillips grounds into double plays at a Sean Casey/Dante Bichette rate.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
So, through two boneheaded substitutions, now both Griffey and Dunn aren’t in the lineup in extra innings.
Dusty needs to remember that 6 runs isn’t enough for a last place team.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
That was the fastest I’ve ever seen a 6 run lead disappear.
Mike Lincoln’s wagon just turned into a pumpkin.
On the Jay Bruce front: If he’s here, he’s playing every day. Baker, to his credit, hasn’t fooled with either Votto or EE, after the first 10 days of the season.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
so is this the lineup now?
patterson
hairston
freel
phillips
votto
ede
pitcher
bako
janish
May 14th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Thom discussing the last time the Reds blew a 9th inning lead this big — the infamous Danny Graves Cardinals game.
I had been thinking about that game, which seemed so much more epic a failure than this one.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Careful, Al. You might get banned for making obscene posts.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
The way Dunn and Griffey are hitting, that’s not a huge void they leave when they’re out of the game.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Pinto looks afraid to pitch to our catchers,
May 14th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Up to Janish in his major-league debut. A single wins it…
May 14th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Janish for the win? Let’s hope!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Dunn just homered last time up, DA.
Cueto pinch running on 2nd. Yannish up to win it.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
let’s do this kid. janish walking off is about the only way for this game to really end on a high note.
cueto the pinch runner. i sort of hate it. but i sort of love it.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Why did Lincoln start the 9th?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Cueto pinch runner? oh my
May 14th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Cueto a pinch-runner. Hee. Double down, Dusty!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Don’t get picked off, Johnny. And don’t hurt yourself. Please.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
I don’t know if Mr. Yannish has the bat speed to succeed up here.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Paul Janish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Janish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
…and that idiot pitcher gives him an off-speed pitch 0-2 and lets him win the game!!!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Janish rules.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Wow! The kid’s first major league hit is a game winner!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I figured out how to get mlb.tv to stream in linux about 2 seconds after Gameday told me Yawn-ish won it. Good enough for me I suppose.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
as brantley just said, it couldn’t happen any better than that.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
…And this one belongs to the Reds!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Geez that was a dumb pitch.
Yannish reminded me of my entire high school career right there - late on every good fastball, and somehow lucky enough to get a changeup or breaking ball often enough to get the job done.
What a great night for Janish.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Well, we got the sweep the hard way, lol
May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Just awesome.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
ack, I forgot, one more game
May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
They had it all along…
That was a roller-coaster of a game. Congrats to Yanish though!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Why in the world was Cueto pinch running? Two outs, Ross would have scored on most anything to the outfield. As far as I know, Cueto has never been a base runner in the minors or majors.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Big ups to Paul Janish. Storybook major league debut if there ever was one. Very cool.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
It’s a shame that Arroyo doesn’t get a win after that great outing.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Dude. They mobbed that kid! Freel was riding him like a bronco, and maybe gave him a bloody nose!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
to stick up for the kid chris, he caught up with a fastall just fine in his first AB. nerves, pitcher on the mound with an 0.70 ERA, light rain, i don’t know. but i’m willing to withhold judgement on his batspeed for at least another day.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Absolutely true, Dunn homered his last time up. But still hitting .208 for the year, with 7 homers over nearly 7 weeks. Unless that singular at-bat represents him turning a major corner, those are bad odds. On the other hand, the Reds have no bench. And if the Dunn/Griffey combo is out, that means Patterson, Freel, and Hairston are in for the duration no matter what. Didn’t matter tonight, thankfully.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Its all right … we would have lost this game last year … our pen held on barely enough to win
May 14th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Wow, rob, that’s true. Cueto has no hits and one walk this year, and had one hit and no walks in the minors last year. That’s the sum total of his on-base exploits as a pro.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
And so the youth movement begins!!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
I just knew the Reds would win it in the bottom of the tenth.
Let’s just hope Janish hasn’t peaked too early.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Fair enough, Al. I was going to say, but got too excited, that Griffey has looked utterly inept many times over the past couple years. Still doesn’t explain why that dude threw him a changeup in this at bat, when he clearly couldn’t catch up to the fastball.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Watching that replay on Gameday, I just noticed that Freel kicked Janish in the face during the celebration. Is that guy just a buffoon or what?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Geez, if they would have beat on him anymore we would have needed another short stop