Comments on: Invasion of the “Dusty Guys” http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/ A Cincinnati Reds Blog | Dishing out hot, creamy bowls of bloggy goodness Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:13:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: preach http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-852904 preach Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:49:03 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-852904 Thought the same thing, Tom. Although if memory serves, I believe that Baker had a pretty high walk rate several seasons. He was a bit of a base clogger himself. Thought the same thing, Tom. Although if memory serves, I believe that Baker had a pretty high walk rate several seasons. He was a bit of a base clogger himself.

]]> By: Tom http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-852710 Tom Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:22:32 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-852710 Hey, Patterson and Hairston won't clog the bases! Wow, things are really taking shaping up under Dusty. Once Gonzalez' knee is better a month from now you are very likely to see the following lineup starting for the Reds: Name Lifetime OBP Patterson .298 Gonzalez ..295 Griffey .374 Phillips .306 Dunn .381 Encarnacion .348 Hatteberg .363 Ross .300 Everyone will want to know why the Reds offense was worse and Dunn will be blamed for only driving in 80 runs while hitting 45 HRs. Can't wait. Hey, Patterson and Hairston won’t clog the bases!

Wow, things are really taking shaping up under Dusty. Once Gonzalez’ knee is better a month from now you are very likely to see the following lineup starting for the Reds:

Name Lifetime OBP
Patterson .298
Gonzalez ..295
Griffey .374
Phillips .306
Dunn .381
Encarnacion .348
Hatteberg .363
Ross .300

Everyone will want to know why the Reds offense was worse and Dunn will be blamed for only driving in 80 runs while hitting 45 HRs. Can’t wait.

]]> By: Travis G. http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-850221 Travis G. Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:26:37 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-850221 It's been reported that Lofton demanded a ML contract, which is more expensive and at least partially guaranteed. I haven't seen the numbers for Patterson's deal, but SI.com reported this: "If added to the 40-man roster, Hairston would get a contract paying him $500,000 in the majors and $62,500 in the minors. He could earn $100,000 in performance bonuses: 25,000 each for 75 and 85 games, and $50,000 for 95 games." If he can't win a spot, he's cheap to stash in the minors or cut loose. Patterson's contract could actually be for less money than that, because he has fewer years of service time. It’s been reported that Lofton demanded a ML contract, which is more expensive and at least partially guaranteed. I haven’t seen the numbers for Patterson’s deal, but SI.com reported this:

“If added to the 40-man roster, Hairston would get a contract paying him $500,000 in the majors and $62,500 in the minors. He could earn $100,000 in performance bonuses: 25,000 each for 75 and 85 games, and $50,000 for 95 games.”

If he can’t win a spot, he’s cheap to stash in the minors or cut loose. Patterson’s contract could actually be for less money than that, because he has fewer years of service time.

]]> By: Chris http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-850046 Chris Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:48:22 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-850046 Not sure Lofton is the real alternative. He will definitely command a major league multi-million dollar deal, unlike Patterson. Also, Lofton may be less willing to sign on w/o a guaranteed job. Not sure Lofton is the real alternative. He will definitely command a major league multi-million dollar deal, unlike Patterson. Also, Lofton may be less willing to sign on w/o a guaranteed job.

]]> By: Scott http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-849775 Scott Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:44:01 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-849775 kenny lofton would have been better than corey patterson. he is an average bench player at best, and we have better bench players already. I like keppinger and gil and freel can play anywhere, but not full time. hopper and bruce are sufficient in center field and older guys with average numbers are not going to help this team get better, there just going to take up space and keep the younger guys in louisville kenny lofton would have been better than corey patterson. he is an average bench player at best, and we have better bench players already. I like keppinger and gil and freel can play anywhere, but not full time. hopper and bruce are sufficient in center field and older guys with average numbers are not going to help this team get better, there just going to take up space and keep the younger guys in louisville

]]> By: Josh http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-848045 Josh Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:00:17 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-848045 I could be wrong, but I don't think minor league contracts are guaranteed like those major league contracts making this pretty low risk. Can anyone confirm? As I said, I could be wrong, but that's what I thought. I could be wrong, but I don’t think minor league contracts are guaranteed like those major league contracts making this pretty low risk. Can anyone confirm? As I said, I could be wrong, but that’s what I thought.

]]> By: the Baker Boys « B Misc. http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-848008 the Baker Boys « B Misc. Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:46:04 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-848008 [...] The consensus feeling on hiring Patterson and Hairston is, at best, skepticisim.  Red Hot Mama, invoking just a bit of sarcasm, points to the Reds’ “shortage of young, talented infielders and outfielders.”  Red Reporter suggests that it is “amazing how the signing of one player can really put a damper on things.”  Redleg Nation labels the signings as an “Invasion of the ‘Dusty Guys.’” [...] [...] The consensus feeling on hiring Patterson and Hairston is, at best, skepticisim.  Red Hot Mama, invoking just a bit of sarcasm, points to the Reds’ “shortage of young, talented infielders and outfielders.”  Red Reporter suggests that it is “amazing how the signing of one player can really put a damper on things.”  Redleg Nation labels the signings as an “Invasion of the ‘Dusty Guys.’” [...]

]]> By: Y-City Jim http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-847213 Y-City Jim Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:31:52 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-847213 What's John Allen got to say about handing out all these minor league contracts? That stuff adds up!!! :grin: What’s John Allen got to say about handing out all these minor league contracts? That stuff adds up!!!

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]]> By: Glenn http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846806 Glenn Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:41:18 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846806 I'm not sure I understand these signings. Being minor league contracts, my guess is these 2 have to make the team out of spring training or they'll be released. I’m not sure I understand these signings. Being minor league contracts, my guess is these 2 have to make the team out of spring training or they’ll be released.

]]> By: preach http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846760 preach Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:17:18 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846760 I will be very suprised if Patterson does not make the trip North. I still think the roster is in for some change because of a trade or two. I will be very suprised if Patterson does not make the trip North.

I still think the roster is in for some change because of a trade or two.

]]> By: Travis G. http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846604 Travis G. Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:26:22 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846604 Sheesh. No need to panic, guys. They signed two veterans to easily swallowed contracts a day after the manager complained he didn't have enough healthy players to take the field. You don't want your regulars playing all the time at this point, while they're still getting into playing shape. If one of these guys earns a ML spot, that's great. If they don't, we can stash them in the minors or let them walk. While I don't agree at all with Baker's decision to bat Patterson first, his reliance on the one-time top prospect through his age 23-25 seasons shows he's patient with young players. Sheesh. No need to panic, guys.

They signed two veterans to easily swallowed contracts a day after the manager complained he didn’t have enough healthy players to take the field. You don’t want your regulars playing all the time at this point, while they’re still getting into playing shape. If one of these guys earns a ML spot, that’s great. If they don’t, we can stash them in the minors or let them walk.

While I don’t agree at all with Baker’s decision to bat Patterson first, his reliance on the one-time top prospect through his age 23-25 seasons shows he’s patient with young players.

]]> By: preach http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846487 preach Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:34:43 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846487 Maybe we will have Hairston, Patterson, and Perez on the field in time for the Cubs series. Hurry up and get Dempster back and it would be like a reunion tour. How nostalgic. Maybe we will have Hairston, Patterson, and Perez on the field in time for the Cubs series. Hurry up and get Dempster back and it would be like a reunion tour. How nostalgic.

]]> By: Jamie http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846318 Jamie Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:26:37 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846318 You said it, Preach. I think all this may be a prelude to some other deal. After all, Krivsky is the quintessential tinkerer, always scooping up bargain players and rolling the dice for another "goldmine" discovery. I wonder if we will get back into Blanton talks (though I think Fay nixed this possibility on his blog, a few days ago). At any rate, it seems likely that Hopper or Freel could be dealt soon, and that Bailey and the young studs will either be put into the bullpen or AAA for more "seasoning." I for one think Bailey and Bruce should both be MLB starters and have little left to learn at AAA. You said it, Preach. I think all this may be a prelude to some other deal. After all, Krivsky is the quintessential tinkerer, always scooping up bargain players and rolling the dice for another “goldmine” discovery. I wonder if we will get back into Blanton talks (though I think Fay nixed this possibility on his blog, a few days ago). At any rate, it seems likely that Hopper or Freel could be dealt soon, and that Bailey and the young studs will either be put into the bullpen or AAA for more “seasoning.” I for one think Bailey and Bruce should both be MLB starters and have little left to learn at AAA.

]]> By: preach http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846268 preach Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:02:28 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846268 Look at the lineup for todays Indians game. Substitute Ross for Bako, and probably Hopper for Freel, and I'm betting that is our opening day lineup. Look at the lineup for todays Indians game. Substitute Ross for Bako, and probably Hopper for Freel, and I’m betting that is our opening day lineup.

]]> By: preach http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846254 preach Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:56:09 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/2008/03/03/invasion-of-the-dusty-guys/#comment-846254 Of course we need another left handed outfielder. I agree with you Sultan, I don't mind Patterson as a fourth OF. That gives you great speed off the bench and a defensive replacement, but as you alluded to, I'm afraid Dusty will see him as the starter, and Bruce in AAA so he can play regularly. The advantage Farney has over Patterson is his ability to play infield and he's a righty, which we need off the bench. Could the man-love for Hopper be an effort to make him more attractive for some kind of deal, or does everyone think we are done with that until after the season starts? Of course we need another left handed outfielder. I agree with you Sultan, I don’t mind Patterson as a fourth OF. That gives you great speed off the bench and a defensive replacement, but as you alluded to, I’m afraid Dusty will see him as the starter, and Bruce in AAA so he can play regularly. The advantage Farney has over Patterson is his ability to play infield and he’s a righty, which we need off the bench. Could the man-love for Hopper be an effort to make him more attractive for some kind of deal, or does everyone think we are done with that until after the season starts?

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