Loading ...The Reds today acquired SS Jerry Gil from the Arizona Diamondbacks for A+ Sarasota reliever Abe Woody. Woody is a middling prospect who walked too many in A+ ball serving as closer for Sarasota. Gil is a 24 year old weak hitting SS. You can never have enough of them.
Another trade that’s purging the Reds system of anyone that wasn’t drafted by this regime.
Woody didn’t have a great year at A+, but he also skipped A-, so this was his first full year of minor league ball.
Gil couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. With a 6 year minor league career, he’s had 2 decent offensive seasons (and one was a repeat of AA).
I’m not saying Woody would ever be a productive big leaguer, but he’s got a chance and he’s so new to the pros, his upside is higher than Gil’s.
Do we really need another weak hitting middle infielder?
.531 slugging percentage isnt exactly light hitting is it? His last 3 seasons he seemed to develop some power with a decent, not good slugging percentage (.468/.472/.531)
Tom, also according to minorleaguesplits.com Gil had 340 at bats at CF this year, and just 40 or so as a SS, so it looks like he is more of an outfielder than an IF.
Those 26 HRs are pretty impressive. I don’t have park factor handy, but nobody on the Knoxville roster appears to have hit, or given up a ton of HRs.
Woody was a college closer who didn’t strike out a ton of guys.
The real fun with these type of trades is trying to figure out how it happened. It’s not like Wayne Krivsky woke up this morning bound and determined to acquire Jerry Gil. Usually, these trades happen when somebody who originally scouted or drafted/signed the player moves to a new organization. Or maybe Gil just wore out Chattenooga pitching this year, and showed up in Jayhawk Owens’ game reports all the time.
Gils home park last season is slightly hitter friendly, but he hit 13 HR at home and 13 on the road. He did hit 7 more doubles at home than on the road, and also hit .314 at home and .225 on the road, but his BABIP would be very telling as to why. His home/road BABIP was .364/.243. One thing I do like is he hits both RHP and LHP about the same with an .827 and .843 OPS against each.
Sounds like an interesting alternative to Norris Hopper as an OF reserve.
111 K’s and 18 BBs is not real encouraging
Ugh. Missed that.
Probably Chambliss\’s fault.
Also, his 2006 was a repeat of AA for him, so his numbers should jump.
He doesn’t get on base, he doesn’t steal bases, he’s a stiff.
Also, he only played 55 games in ‘05, so he must have had injuries.
Another “bum of the month” pickup by Krivsky….I don’t understand what he feels he’s doing.
To be fair, every team makes deals like this all the time. They all get reported, but it’s only a bad deal if Woody is likely to be better, or if a stiff blocks a legitimate player. To illustrate, how would a D-Backs blog be writing about this trade?
We should spare our real hand-wringing for the significant screw-ups. I don’t even consider this one to be emblematic of anything. It’s just one of 25 minor league transactions they’ll make this winter.
I was looking for (any) D-Back reaction to the trade, and found this.
Look at the bottom of the Lidle article for a tidbit on Thom B. It sounds like he may be like George Grande in his refusal to say “damn.” They point to this, which describes Thom as “mediocre, distinguished mainly by an unmodulated megaphone-like voice that is like a parody of what a sportscaster should sound like.”
I have to sortof agree with that “megaphone” comment. I remember liking Thom when he was with the Reds and WGN, but if all I’d heard was his work with FOX, he’d be on the list with McCarver, Buck, and Chris Berman.
Chris, nobody’s saying this is a franchise making or breaking deal, but I think it’s indicative of Krivsky’s philosophy….dumping players from the previous regime, and adding guys that can’t hit.
Also, they’ve added him to the 40 man roster, did they have to?
Again, I don’t get this. Splain!
Bill, I think they did have to, because he is a 6 year minor league player, which otherwise would leave him unprotected in the Rule V draft. I could be wrong on that, but I am pretty sure that is correct.
As for him repeating AA, he missed a large chunk of his 2005 season with a knee injury that was originally a sprained knee, but if he missed that much time, I feel it was probably a little more than that.
I know a guy who works for the team he played for and he said he thinks the Dbacks soured on him becuase he has the propensity to swing for the fences to much, which would explain both his spike in power numbers and his strikeout numbers.
As for him repeating AA, while thats true, he played maybe a half a season there before hurting his knee badly enough to miss 90 games, then this season he started there again.
Gil will swing at any curveball in the dirt. He’s no prospect.
86 Major League ABs ZERO walks. he sucks. Anybody who throws this guy a strike is an idiot.
Tom, also according to minorleaguesplits.com Gil had 340 at bats at CF this year, and just 40 or so as a SS, so it looks like he is more of an outfielder than an IF.
The Baseball Cube site didn’t have last season positional numbers, (Thanks for the minor league splits site by the way, it’s awsome.), but he’d never seen the OF before last year. Played all but 3 games of his minor league career at SS, except for 3 games at 3B, up until this season. This year he played some 2B too, looks like his conversion year to utility man to me.
Unless this guy absolutely picks it at SS, I don’t get this. He reeks with the bat. I’d fine a pitcher $50 for every strike they threw to this guy, 18 BB in 446 ABs. OY! Get this, the moron managing AA Tennessee actually had this hack in the number 2 hole for 262 ABs, for a whopping .285 OBP.
I know it’s a minor deal, and he’ll be cut loose for someone else in a month, but why? Heck, we already got a bunch of him, just put Bannon, who Narron speaks glowingly of, on the roster, here are he and Gil’s career Min. Lg. numbers:
Name AVG OBP SLG OPS
Gil .250 .276 .397 673
Bannon .261 .312 .405 717
Got to give it to him, Krivsky can build one heck of a hacking mass team.
Gil did pitch 1.7 scoreless innings in AA last season, maybe they’ll switch him and Aasadorian to the mound next season.
Later,
Tom
From the MLB site:
He also played under Reds assistant general manager Bob Miller, who used to work in the Diamondbacks’ front office.
Although he has a history of struggling offensively, Gil is considered to be a good fielder at shortstop with a strong arm. After missing most of 2005 with a knee injury, he started playing outfield in 2006 to improve his versatility. At Spring Training this year, he was one of the final cuts from camp despite hitting .385 with five homers.
He was obtained for his defense. I’d get used to it, I’d bet the ranch this will be the theme of the offseason.
Later,
Tom
I can’t get worked up about this deal. Who cares? Neither of these guys is likely to contribute much to a major league roster.
However, I agree strongly with Tom’s assertion that defense will be the theme of the offseason. I can just see it coming.
Which might mean we no longer see EdE in the Reds lineup come Opening Day.
I may be one of the few who do not think this is such a bad deal. It is felt Gil has the arm strength to play third, his natural position is short, and he has played with frequency in two outfield positions. It appears he strikes out way too much because he is always going for a Johnson. I’m sure that messes his average up as well. Woody was never more than a grade ‘C’ prospect, so this might not be such a raw deal. I could be wrong, but since we are all sooo tired of Narron and (lately) Krivsky’s decisions, might we be looking at every move with more disdain than it merits? Granted, I am not pleased with the course of recent events either, but would this move provoke any ire at all if we were still playing?
Did this guy just jump in front of Ray Olmedo?
Gee-zuz you guys will cry about anything. This trade amounts to a sparrow fart, who the hell cares? Will we just need hip waders or will it require a canoe to navigate the river of tears you will shed when Dunn gets traded away?
If you don’t care, don’t read the thread. If you don’t think it’s important, why are our comments important enough for you to bother to reply to?
Some of us are interested in discussing the Reds moves (even the minor ones) and try to determine a philosophy that the organization seems to be developing.